GHB?

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  Jan 22, 2008 12:27 AM GMT

  Even my friends that do drugs no better than to even think that I would join them, but I met a guy last weekend who swears up and down that he's not a "druggy" but he asked if I did GHB. I had never heard of it and he went on and on about it being naturally produced by the human body and that before it became illegal it was widely used by bodybuilders as a supplement. Out of curiosity I did an Internet search and found a lot of info, but is this commonly used by gay men as some kind of party drug?

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  Jan 22, 2008 1:46 AM GMT

  
  
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  Jan 22, 2008 1:51 AM GMT

  Hi Starboard,
  
  Yes, it is a fairly common party drug in the gay party crowd. It's particularly dangerous if combined with alcohol or other drugs -- there were a few deaths at Fire Island and other gay hot spots last summer due to overdoses and/or poor mixing. Yikes!
  
  You can read a bit more about GHB here:
  http://www.realjock.com/workout/951/3

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  Jan 22, 2008 1:58 AM GMT

  Not that many folks are using GHB any more. I don't know anyone that uses it.
  
  It was the rage a couple of decades ago, but, Zanax works better.

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  Jan 22, 2008 2:04 AM GMT

  Any mind altering drugs are dangerous to you because, as a gay man you are at a pretty high risk of disease especially if you are using GHB in a club or "scene" setting. If you do not die from this drug, which is commonly mixed with punch so you have no idea how much of it you are taking it in, you could tweak, go home with someone or SOMEONES you do not know, have unprotected sex and contract HIV or worse,mono.(laugh)
  
  If a man told you GHB was a supp, you should never talk to him again. He is obviously trying to exploit your naivity so that he can get you in the sac. And, I hear guys on GHB are up for anything. So, if you want your actions in a sexual context to be your own, then don't even consider GHB.

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  Jan 22, 2008 2:11 AM GMT

  I still see a lot of people using it. Even in my biggest party stage GHB was the one that I had to watch. It affects people differently and would hit me harder than a lot of people.
  Whenever you see anyone at a bar or club passed out or having to be carried out, it is usually because of GHB.
  I think it can be one of the most dangerous ones because of the way it reacts with alcohol and because it is a little more unpredictable in how it will hit you.

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  Jan 22, 2008 3:48 AM GMT

  G is also commonly known as a "date rape" drug - since it is easy to slip into a drink without a person knowing, it is odor and colorless. Sometimes there is a slight change in flavor but most will think it is just the alcohol. It will normally knock you flat. I am not sure what the thrill of it is - its not like coke (at least I do not think it is) where you get ramped up...it seems like it is much more of a supreme downer which to me...why would you want to be that calm...
  
  Personally I would not do it (I haven't done any street drugs besides smoking pot once (literally one time) in college and never since - just not my thing really) however G seems rather dangerous to me. Then again, most drugs seem dangerous to me. I guess the older I get, the more "straight edge" I become lol.
  
  

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  Jan 22, 2008 4:16 AM GMT

  No, I've done weed, speed and crack and quit them all when I met my last partner. Joking aside, I feel that I've lost a portion of who I was before I did the harder drugs, and will never revert to doing them again.
  This ghb may just as easily be done by straight men, black men, woman... well anybody. It's not fair to say that drugs and disease are only subject of the concern of a certain race or sexually oriented people. You're stereotyping yourself and your community by saying/thinking such things.
  But as the old adage goes, Don't do drugs. There isn't much else to it but that.

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  Jan 22, 2008 5:52 AM GMT

  Drugs are certainly a component of life in general and I didn't mean for my question (which was addressed to gay men, in gay forum, by myself...a gay man) to reinforce any negative stereotypes.
  
  I had heard of GHB as a "date rape" but was unaware that it had "recreational applications". I appreciate all of the posts -- and I am just jaded enough to crack a smile at the thought of being called "naive".
  
  Stereotypes are insidious when they oversimplify or denigrate. But I think there is no harm in focusing attention on issues (negative or positive) -- or asking questions of each other and exchanging advice.

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  Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM GMT

  Sounds like you received most of your answers here already...I would just say [from my own "lab experiments" long ago] that the window between being 'high' and 'overdosing' is one with a very small opening...
  
  ...if you look at the ingredients in this stuff, it also seems like something that will strip paint off your car...
  
  - David

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  Jan 22, 2008 3:09 PM GMT

  boiwunderkind said
  This ghb may just as easily be done by straight men, black men, woman... well anybody. It's not fair to say that drugs and disease are only subject of the concern of a certain race or sexually oriented people. You're stereotyping yourself and your community by saying/thinking such things.

  
  
  I think what you said goes without saying. DUH, but as Starboard is not black, or straight, or a woman, I simply streamlined the focus of my answer a little as all of Starboard's attention should be on his gay self and not what everyone else is doing. I think I know a little about being stereotyped and I would never do it myself.
  
  If your post wasn't referencing me, please disregard these flames i'm throwin at you.
  
  
  

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  Jan 22, 2008 3:40 PM GMT

  GHB and some of its precursor's primary industrial use is for cleaning circuit boards. It was first discovered and developed as a sleep aid...unfortunately it was difficult to calibrate an accurate dosage for any given person. It evolved into a party drug and I can at least say that I never had any issues with it...but we used it very carefully because we were very much aware of the consequences of an overdose. Moreover, it did have an interesting early history as a body builder supplement, but that disappeared once it became illegal.
  
  As for the all the other comments and issues around recreational drug use...I think they're all accurate and have merit...as with virtually everything we choose to do in life, they bring consequences with them, regardless of the person's gender, ethnicity or any other characteristic.

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